he was only elping telepathically. When Vegeta went ssj1 he said he was pure evil, so he did need a pure heart to transform. But when he started to care about others again, that slowed down his progress again. Just thought that I should point this out, that the person that wrote this at the top is missing out on something; not to be mean, but Goku isn't a human. Therefore, there are several issues with Vegeta turning SSJ3, though one is considerably more speculative. His pure-hearted intentions are what drive him to push his limits and the limits of his Super Saiyan powers to new levels. It is much said and assumed among fans that Vegeta is one of Toriyama's lesser favourite characters, which explains why Vegeta is commonly dealt the dud hand. Afterwards, Vegeta ascends beyond the Super Saiyan level while training with Trunks from an alternate dimension in the Room of Spirit and Time (精神と時の部屋) and pummels the artificial life form Cell, who has absorbed Android 17. like controling the great ape form and worked out his weakness with his tail,and i think goku was influenced alot by vegeta and i know that vegeta is more than capable. but either way, wen they mentioned dabura was equal to cell, they were not scared of him meaning dat they had grown WAY stronger than him in the past 7 years. ask Goku how to become a super saiyan 3, but what would Goku say? Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear? Training in the otherworld just allowed Goku to reach SSJ3 quicker because his body there didn't get as stressed from all the training. He always had some sort of help or drive to do so. In Dragon Ball Super, Vegeta made his thoughts on Super Saiyan 3 crystal clear.The Prince of All Saiyans might have been frustrated when he first saw Goku achieve the transformation during Dragon Ball Z's Majin Buu Saga, but he eventually dismissed SSJ3 as a waste of energy and opted to focus on perfecting Super Saiyan 2 instead. Notably, it appears that this form can onl… Report. Vegeta just wanted to be the way he was before, a cold ruthless warrior living on strength alone uninhibeted by petty emotions. I've been telling people this a lot and've been studing it. 5 years ago | 23 views. Gotenks fought in SSJ3 against Super Buu and his fusion time dropped. Dragon Ball GT saw Bulma develop a device that allowed Vegeta to transform into a Golden Great Ape, his Super Saiyan powers augmented by the primal rage of the Oozaru. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! ", the short answer is no. Other than that...they are more than capable, ESPECIALLY Vegeta. If he was, then there wouldn't be any super SAYIAN transformations coming out of him.... Vegeta never went SSJ3 because when he died the second time he didnt have a body train in, thats why. Still weaker than Goku, but much closer. In GT he becomes super saiyan 4 and skips out 3. Apparently, the Saiyan became so powerful after going through the transformation that he was able to destroy a whole planet. I think vegeta could go to a super saiyan 3. The reason he never did because it difficult to hold such power that his body can't handle. Pride Gene's can only go SSJ, ASSJ, USSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ4. It's the same with SSJ3. he got his tail unlike with Vegetta. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Super_saiyan_3_vegeta%3F?oldid=1359712. And the fans desires always had Goku as the one and only hero. Besides, him seeing Goku go SSJ3 won't get him mad and turn SSJ3 himself, because he would have to train more to do it (SSJ3 doesn't come through intense anger like the previous two transformations). Introduced towards the end of Dragon Ball Z, Goku unveiled his Super Saiyan 3 transformation while fighting Majin Buu. Report. Meanwhile, Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue evidently do not. Actually the whole Super Saiyan 'level' thing gets kind of confusing really. When Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 in the tournament, Vegeta commented on how this form was weaker than when he fought Cell, and Gohan was only in Super Saiyan 1 at that point. did u by any chance miss the saga?TheDarkPrinceReturns! If he had the same point as increaseing and training himself as Goku, i believe his powers would have grown ............................. falalalallalalalalallalalalalalalalala the writer of GT should have thought about what he was doing .. why does Gero look like Myuu, why does the Sigma Force have poses like Ginyu Force, why did Vegeta lose his natural hair ? We all know that he did transform into SSJ by 'normal' means, and I think I did clarify that he kinda does on SSJ4 as well. (when he joined the z-fighters, he lost his hatred and drive to kill Goku, thus making him impure). Plus tard, Vegeta Super Saiyan 3 et Broly Super Saiyan 3 apparaissent à leur tout dans ce jeu. Though this cut into the time they had (either on Earth or to stay fused), they both had something that Vegeta did not. Gotenks Becomes Super Saiyan 3 For The First Time. Vegeta and Goku are very similiar, they both strive to make themselves better warriors. Fusion: There are 2 types of fusion Potara and Fusion dance. I have see some people saying that he doesnt transform into SSJ2 by normal means (using the argument that he only achieve SSJ2 by the help of Babidi), well, he kinda does: "It is sometimes debated when he first achieved this form. Gotenks was a fused being who achieved SSJ3. Of course, Gohan didn't constantly train like Goku and Vegeta, so his power level could have decreased, but I'm not sure if that's a thing. Also the fact that Gohan could hold his own even though he got weaker implies that Dabura wasnt as strong as super perfect Cell. Frieza Saga Goku was when he just went SSJ1 for the first time, and Vegito happened during the Buu Saga, 12 years after Frieza Saga! In the android saga, Trunks mentioned that Vegeta knew about the USSJ form and didn't use it because he knew the limitations/drawbacks. Nor did we even learn exactly how that form is unlocked in the Battle of Gods. had he faced dabura, then dat wud of been a great oppurtunity. While Goku was able to achieve this in a ritual with Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan, it was revealed that Vegeta had also achieved Super Saiyan God, … Click the button below to start this article in quick view. After all, Goku did it in Dragon Ball Super, and a couple of time in Dragon Ball Super, and it’s the same for Gotenks. or maybe he just need to train in other world like goku did. Forget Goku, Vegeta's the best. Even … When Vegito fought Buu after he absorbed Goten, Trunks, Gohan etc etc.. Vegito was way more powerful in his base form than Goku in SS1 when he fought Freeza. its really just about the fact that goku trained more,yes he is stronger than vegeta but that DOES NOT mean he doesnt have the potential to reach ssj3. Playing next. 2. and increasseing powers to ssj3 to fight would have been a seond choice. Proof of Goku being better is aginst Kid Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta got destroyed while SSJ2 Goku was holding his own, although Kid Buu was likely just playing around, Goku still did better. He achieved it because he was dead in otherworld. Vegeta always wanted to surpass Goku, I can gurantee that Vegeta trained all those years to be able to stand up to Goku. Goku uses this form to fight Mahin Buu, later stating that he could have beaten MB but did not because he wanted the others to do it because he would not always be around to protect the Earth. The best GIFs are on GIPHY. so to me there is no cear cut winner. SupremeBooyah (talk) 18:35, October 16, 2012 (UTC). Here are some examples: So that shows that Vegeta only transformed once with the help of others, doesn't have a pure enough heart to transform, only got powerful enough to access the other forms with the boost from past transformations(that he didn't even attain himself) so he probably isn't powerful enough to do so, and he has too much pride to to ask for Goku's help in attaining it. i would assume one of the main reasons Vegeta never went to SS3 is cause of the "10 years of Peace" or "Modest living" after Buu. However this is not enough to make Goku or Vegeta nervous or afraid of him so they could both probally beat him. Another thing that has been observed throughout the series is that it is much harder to transform the first time the transformation is used. Plain and simple he didn't go super sayain 3 in dbz or gt so logically we have to assume he can't. 20:03, April 6, 2010 (UTC), yes they did fight while vegeta was in his majin form. Super Saiyan 3 (超 サイヤ人 三, Chō Saiya-jin San) is the strongest of all Super Saiyan forms in the manga and Dragon Ball Z anime. Super Saiyan is a transformation that is linked to the genes of the Saiyan race, who seem to carry with themselves what … r u serious, dats just like saying a person needing a gun in order to kill a bug, wen they can just squash it, lol. Super Saiyan 3s from Dragon Ball Heroes But did you ever wonder that if vegeta were still smart he would have beaten goku in a battle but not with strength but his intellect would have thought of a trick or something. (P.S. However, still DBZ back in 1995 and even GT with no evidence at all, as to whether or not Vegeta ever unlock Super Saiyan 3.. Only Goku and Gotenks (fusion between Goten and Trunks) mastered it at that time. Vegeta may be cocky, but fighting-wise he isn't stupid (at least to me). He was barely an identity, merely an amalgamation of two powerful children. vegeta reached points in his power way before goku did. It's possible he has the energy to go SSJ3 but not the training. Upon achievement, it is easier to master the form, but every time a character unlocks a new one, it is much more painful than later uses (of course, this may just be for plot reasons). Although Buu may have not been using his full power. Après, il régressera à son stade initial, et sera parcouru par une puissante fatigue. Potara is add the two powers and then x14,000. So to do that, the focus had to stay on Goku, sacrificing Vegeta's shot at SS3. actually vegeta never went ssj 3 in the dragonball series. Super Sayan 3 transformation was revealed in the Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Z. KEEP READING: Dragon Ball Theory: Vegeta's Next Level Will Surpass Ultra Instinct. Goku explained that maintaining Super Saiyan 3 in a normal, living body burns through energy dangerously fast and creates a tremendous amount of strain. Vegeta's overconfidence leads him to allow Cell to absorb Android 18, upon which Cell achieves his "perfect" form. besides, super perfect cell aint dat strong, he was defeated by ss2 teen gohan and as we know, vegeta and kakarot had both grown stronger than him during the years.TheDarkPrinceReturns! vegeta was even more poverfull. Android 19 then hits his earring and shoots Eye Lasers at Goku. He very rarely reaches the same strength as Goku at the same time Goku achieves it, and since Goku had JUST reached Super Saiyan 3 at the end of Z, I give Vegeta a couple months, a year at most, before he achieves it. 5 years ago | 25 views. Gotenks Becomes Super Saiyan 3 For The First Time. Browse more videos. By the way I hate when people try to say how smart vegeta is because the only time he is smarter is when yet first meet. Sam Stone is a 10th level pop culture guru living just outside of Washington, DC who knows an unreasonable amount about The Beatles. Remember who got Super Saiyan 1 first. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. First off Vegeta was an ssj2 before he fought Goku and before Babidi "cursed" him. 22:44, April 6, 2010 (UTC), Vegeta became SSJ2 by training,but he was a weak one.Magin powers exaggerated on his SSJ2 powers.Otherwise he was weaker than Cell in those 7 years--------Ucell, no he was not weaker than cell. His mind is tainted by the envy he has for Goku, and without a pure-heart, there's only so far he can push his limits. 09:56, August 25, 2012 (UTC). He noticed the limitations/drawbacks. If the question is "Which is more reliable in battle?" Also, if they were even they wouldn't just be even in SSJ2 they would aslo be even in SSJ and Base forms. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Okay, so we've seen two beings ever achieve Super Saiyan 3, correct? Syed Ifikhar Ali Shah. Vegeta will never be able to go into 3 because he is not nearly as strong in power determination and his pride makes him weak. All these people saying Vegeta doesnt care about being stronger then Goku are crazy. They only see Goku transform to SSJ3 once and on a space of a few weeks, the 2 kids manage to transform to SSJ3 form. Actually Gohan wasnt Mystic when he faced Broly as an adult.If he was Mystic he wouldnt need his ssj1 an ssj2K1lp1k0nna 09:50, June 14, 2012 (UTC)K1lp1k0nna. The reason is simple. Goku, during all his traning is light years ahead of Vegeta because he was not able to train when he died, and also that he didn't have the training conditions like Goku did. Yes, he needs the blutz machine, but its mainly to grown his tail back and to use it as a substitute to the moon (or other celestial corpse that emits blutz waves), because sayajins needs blutz waves to transform into the great ape, which is necessary to achieve the SSJ4. First, we have to understand what SSJ3 transformation needs. 5 years ago | 92 views. goku did come back from other world in the babidi saga. There is one thing a saiyan keeps, HIS PRIIIIIDDDDDEEEEEE!!!!!!!! DBZ---Gotenks-turns-Super-Saiyan-3-for-the-First-Time-HD. Browse more videos. Secondly I want to say vegeta might have been able to if he the training goku had but he didn't. [not when he was in his "Majin form"]. In Dragon Ball: Raging Blast, Broly and Vegeta for the first time get their own Super Saiyan 3 forms (since Vegeta and Broly never achieved this form in the series). Android 20 explains that they know the healing powers of the Senzu Bean, and that they will not allow him the time he needs to heal. Goku and Vegeta would both progress even further with their Super Saiyan Blue transformation combining godly energy with that of a Super Saiyan transformation. he even accended to ussj with trunks in the htc. I always thought it was because Vegeta would look stupid in ssj3 :). Great Ape/SSJ3 completely disturb this balance. Goku had a hard time with this transformation. even the author explains it on one of his blogs. Super revealed Saiyans as being able to harness godly energy through a ritual to transform into Super Saiyan Gods. The person at the top of this section is wrong. Saying "Base Form Vegito is stronger than SSJ1 Frieza Saga Goku" is an absolutley idiotic comparision. When Baby took control over Vegeta their power levels got combined in a way so Baby Vegeta is as strong as SSJ, Super Baby SSJ2, Super Baby 2 SSJ3 so Vegeta has actually reached the power of Super Saiyan 3 just like when Ginyu took over Goku's body Baby didnt know how to properly use Vegeta's powers he just transform into i guess you could call it Super Tuffle. I think its just one of the many plotholes within Dragonball Z. Vegeta was never able to train while dead (since he wasnt allowed to have his body). After the Buu saga Gohan had made a considerable gap between himself and Goku and an even larger gap with Vegeta. Si l'utilisateur est mort, comme Gokû lors de sa première utilisation, le corps est moins sujet à la fatigue et cette transformation peut être conservée plus longtemps. yes i know he used the form whilst he was a majin but it does not mean dat it was the first time he used it. vegeta is garbage....several times he fight somebody he says im the prince of sayians and gets his ass kicked look at the broly movie took him like 20 seconds to get knocked out, First, Vegeta is capable to reach ss3 . Sadly, Vegeta was unable to replicate it, and in the Dragon Ball Super Series, the prince of Saiyans was seen moving from stage 2 to Super Saiyan God and then Blue without passing by the third stage. Ultimately this is all a debate and just a matter of opinion, (im a diff guy)I agree, Vegita could, but we all seem to be forgeting something. The only form Vegeta (or any other Saiyan for that matter) could never reach is the Legendary Super Saiyan form. He could have done it in the 10 year gap between Buu Saga and End of Z, because he claims that he and Goku would need a planet for a battlefield, but if he was stuck at SSJ2, Goku would domination him, but of course, Akira didn't really show it, so that's very unlikely. By the end of DBZ, Vegeta probably didnt have the enormous amount of ki to transform neither control the transformation, but, in between DBZ and DBGT he DID trained, and I think he did get stronger enough to be able to transform and control the SSJ3. DBZ---Gotenks-turns-Super-Saiyan-3-for-the-First-Time-HD. However, Vegeta and Goku are exactly the same as SSJ2 and Vegeta can stay in the SSJ2 form as long as Goku can, hinting that his energy reserves are pretty large. When Goku reached ASSJ/USSJ1 and then USSJ/USSJ2 he realised that bulking up and forcing his power to increase isn't the best way to increase power level. I think because of his obession with becoming more powerful than Goku would have caused him to have reached super saiyan 3 shortly after Goku did. Ssj5vegeta 20:12, September 3, 2009 (UTC), I think the only reason Goku was able to generate that much energy in the first place was because he died. Asadora! He understood that it was extremely powerful, yet it had serious drawbacks. Okay for one thing i want to piont this out even if he asked goku how to go ssj3 its not like he can just do it he needs to train and have something snap that power out of him cause if you just ask and turn into right after that then it would be to easy. RELATED: Dragon Ball Super: Goku WILL Overpower Beerus - Here's How. And btw, he did ask to Goten on one of the first DBGT episodes if he did take easy on the training with a reproval tone, or better, a Vegeta tone xD, so I dont think he will be that hypocrite. And this was after they all achieved the form already. Should vegeta have turned super saiyan 3? 1. Easily recognized by the user’s lack of eyebrows and incredibly long hair, the Super Saiyan 3 transformation made its anime debut in Dragon Ball Z’s Buu Saga, when Goku used it to fight Majin Buu. As we know, Goku struggled greatly to sustain SSJ3 when he was alive, both when he fought Kid Buu and in GT. It was in the Dragon Ball Z Buu Saga that we first ever saw the Super Saiyan 3 transformation. Ans unfortunately, this was a series that was heavily driven by fan opinion. Majin Buu against Goku was only at 40% of his Max though. yes they are fused when they do it but vegeta is stronger then themi beleive(*edited* .. are you stupid ? also earlier on, wen vegeta and goku both sense dabura's power, they realise it is the same as cells power level and even after knowing dis, they were both not scared to fight him, meaning dat vegeta had obviously grown way stronger than cell over the yrs. 20:19, April 6, 2010 (UTC), yes i know goku returned in the saiyaman saga but wot i meant to say was he was on earth during the babidi saga. Akira Toriyama stated in the Saikyō Jump's June 2014 interview that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up variants of Super Saiyan and that mastering Super Saiyan could increase its power beyond that of Super Saiyan 2 and 3 while draining less energy.This form of Super Saiyan is achievable by a Saiyan who has already obtained the Super Saiyan 2 form and then trains intensely. And without Goku around, Vegeta lost any reason left to train, and like Gohan became weaker and more mellowed. releasing hatred,anger,revenge.which are traits that can helped all the saiyans accend. like i also mentioned before goku says "wow, u have really outdone yorself in the past 7 years" which cud mean dat he actually sensed vegeta's strenght earlier and realised he has reached ss2 before babidi controlled him. Second Goku says Daburas around Cells level, Hes probally referring to the last Cell hes seen aka Perfect Cell not super perfect Cell. Even without of that, he would still needs to be strong enough to achieve the SSJ2, the Majin phase was only a kick (like the destruction of Android 16 to Gohan) if he actually didnt achieve the SSJ2 form before that. Sure Vegeta had the potential to reach the SS3 level, of course he did. When he was dead he was shown to have nearly limitless energy. Browse more videos. We all know that new SSJ forms are difficult to transform/control at first, but after some training it turns easier. I'm a major dbz fan, and I think that personlly it could go either way. Plus, Fusion Dance is much weaker than Potara. One can say the same with vegeta. TheDarkPrinceReturns! (SuperSaiyan4BurstMode 14:30, October 26, 2009 (UTC)). So basically, the only thing that Vegeta needs to transform into SSJ3 is a good amount of ki to perform and control the transformation, just look at Gotenks. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Both Goku and Gotenks achieved SSJ3 through supernatural means. Why would he ask Goku? So yeah, I think Vegeta CAN transform into SSJ3 easily, at least by the end of GT saga. It even states on the USSJ page that Vegeta's tactical mindset led him to avoid using USSJ, as did Goku. Well that's just wrong, it would be a lot harder to achieve in the real world yes but all it really means is that Vegeta would have to train a lot harder harder than he ever has before. Throughout the Dragon Ball series, Vegeta has managed to keep up with the escalating Super Saiyan transformations of his longtime frenemy and rival, Goku. it was the whole point y vegeta let babidi control him. When he went ssj4, he needed Bulma's machine to do it(not even Baby could do it himself), and after the form wore off; Goku asked why he didn't transform again, and he shouted shutup!, implying that he could transform (even after attaining the form) without the Blutz Wave Generator. Plus Goku had 7years of training. Perhaps vegeta should fight someone stronger than him but treat it as if fighting a real life enemy, the fight stops only when vegeta is near death or until he is able to transform, either way when he recovers he should be much stronger than before and eventually be strong enough to force the transformation. The only reason Goku went ssj4 becuase ofthe Kais help and Pan. Vegta doesn't need Goku's low-class help. The Dragon Team now realize that the heart virus that Future Trunks warned him about is attacking him. And finnally Vegeta could go ssj3. In any case, it's entirely possible that Vegeta reached Super Saiyan 3 between the end of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. Follow. In conclusion SSJ3 is ALWAYS stronger than SSJ2 with 2 people of similiar power levels. But Vegeta, possessing neither access to training in the afterlife nor the vast energy reserves of a fused fighter, was unable to make the transformation himself. I know that wasn't in the manga but :S Ultra Buugetto (talk) 15:07, June 30, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could? he did in a movie but never agin, Not the same person! Gohan as well. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. That's just what I think. of matching gokus ssj3.hes always been able to match him before why not now? What Babidi did, at it's stated by Babidi himself, was to unleash Vegeta's potential, and you can notice that by the strain in Vegeta's muscles. Can a Saiyan as SSJ2 be stronger than a SSJ3? he IS a super saiyan.just like goku.ive watched every episode of dbz and dbgt. I'm not completely convinced that Vegeta never went to Super Saiyan 3 (even though we never saw it). Just because he didnt never transform into it, doesnt mean that he cant. When he went ssj2 he needed a power boost and a drive(such as pure hatred and evil) from Babidi(he also made his heart PURE evil again), and once he attained the form with Babidi's help, he could attain the form at any time. But when he was dead, he was able to sustain SSJ3 much easier, the only side effect being that it cut into the time he had left on Earth for his one day visit (which obviously wasn't a problem in Other World). When in the otherworld Goku had almost limitless energy due to not having the strain of a living body. (2 years after Frieza + 3 years for arrival of Androids + 7 years after Cell = 12 years) During that 12 years Goku fought ALOT and trained even more. When Goku fought Freeza and turned SS1 for the first time his power level was only around 15,000,000 (I think). Super Saiyan, a saiyan's powers are magnified in this form, by exactly how much is never specified(an important bit of info to note). Playing next. This is why I believe Goku used his SSJ form to battle Bills after SSJG form's time ran out. and he manages to gain that good heart,even after being controlled he still was able to accend to ssj2. In GT goku's little body could not hold super saiyan 3 as well. After all, he only transform into SSJ4 only a few times, maybe after some training, he could transform alone? P.S. SSJ4 is x5,000. Report. another evidence of this is goku stating in his fight with vegeta, "wow, u have really outdone yorself in the past 7 years" which goes to show dat vegeta did in fact reach the form himself and allowed babidi to control him in order to unleash his evil potential.TheDarkPrinceReturns! While Vegeta is one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball, there is one Super Saiyan form that has always eluded him. I imagine Vegeta chooses not to transform because it uses too much energy and he has not yet been able to use SSJ3 effectively. if u actually watch the babidi saga, u will see dat wen vegeta sees gohan fighting dabura, he notices dat gohan had become weak in the past 7 yrs and says dat if he fought dabura himself, then he wud of easily beaten him. Oh and Gohan wasn't Mystic agianst Broly and Goku was only SSJ not SSJ2. Vegeta earned ssj2 during the seven years of peace after Cell. 19:53, April 7, 2010 (UTC), They stated that Dabura was equal to Perfect Cell,not Super Perfect Cell.-------------------Ucell, if i may recall, they never said perfect cell nether did they say super perfect cell. Yes, but the SSJ3 Saiyan would have been at least 4x weaker than the SSJ2 Saiyan in his base form and it wouldn't be a fair comparision. upheaval (SSJ, SSJ2 and maybe SSJ4 on Goku's case) or an external motivator (like the blutz machine for Vegeta's SSJ4). i think vegeta can go ss3 if he trained hard enough. And when Vegeta was alive he probably did train but did not obtain the SSj3 form due to the strain of a living body. They are Goku and Gotenks. Is the battle intended to be quick? As far as i'm concerned the sayians were designed as a warrior race, with ever increasing power through training and near death experiences. Krillin then throws him a Senzu Bean, and he eats it. Do you plan on showing off and toying with your opponent? Vegeta would never be seen attaining Super Saiyan 3 in subsequent Dragon Ball series, instead finding ways to skip Super Saiyan 3 entirely. He was smart, smarter than goku at first but then got too arrogant. Marvinhrlm20. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. What's the point of achieving it of training to achieve it if you simply don't want to achieve it? even as Majin Vegeta .. he couldn't beat Buu in his fat form. Ashley Miles. Like others have said, Goku went SSJ2 and 3 while he was dead, in reality, it should've have taken him much longer. During the fight against Kid Buu, Vegeta also saw that Goku's living body couldn't handle the strain (literally leaving him with little to no ki), so he chose not to go SSJ3 (even though it would've helped a bit) because of this. Vegetta did accomplished his SSJ3 form but it's never shown at the anime....there's an existing databook about their power levels and it is shown that both of them reached SSJ4 although Vegetta can only achieve it via Blitz Wave....a saiyan can't possibly become SSJ4 without enough power level >.> so if I were you peepz we should all just accept the fact that Goku and Vegetta are even in terms of power.. Goku only manage to transform to his SSJ4 form bec. but vegeta doesnt need to be evil to accend.he just has to have a good heart. Vegeta did probably not acheive this form because had no body when dead. No one has ever seemed to have a problem staying in SS2 form, so why not stick with that and train to become stronger than a SS3 without the disadvantages? About others again, that slowed down his progress again the end of Dragon Ball Super: Goku will Beerus. Gain that good heart been using his full power larger gap with Vegeta turning SSJ3, Goku goten! 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